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	<title>Comments on: Legitimate and cargo cult ideas</title>
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		<title>By: Hang</title>
		<link>http://blog.bumblebeelabs.com/legitimate-and-cargo-cult-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-815</link>
		<dc:creator>Hang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zach,

This is in my sketches blog which means it&#039;s still a work in progress... 

It&#039;s impossible to distinguish the two with an absolute degree of certainty but it&#039;s often fairly easy to get 90% of the way there. It&#039;s impossible to ever ascertain certainty because simply disproving one version of an idea doesn&#039;t mean there doesn&#039;t exist a more sophisticated version which is immune to your disproof and proving that your idea survives an argument doesn&#039;t mean there&#039;s a more sophisticated argument that punctures it.

I&#039;m going to expand on this piece in a little bit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zach,</p>
<p>This is in my sketches blog which means it&#8217;s still a work in progress&#8230; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible to distinguish the two with an absolute degree of certainty but it&#8217;s often fairly easy to get 90% of the way there. It&#8217;s impossible to ever ascertain certainty because simply disproving one version of an idea doesn&#8217;t mean there doesn&#8217;t exist a more sophisticated version which is immune to your disproof and proving that your idea survives an argument doesn&#8217;t mean there&#8217;s a more sophisticated argument that punctures it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to expand on this piece in a little bit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Hale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach Hale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done on an extremely lucid contrast of the two types of ideas.

It drives me crazy that your solution for how to distinguish between the two is that it&#039;s impossible. Even if someone were to &quot;reach the cliff&quot;, for any cargo cult idea of significance one man&#039;s assertions would be quickly covered up by those who have lived their lives in support of the false idea. 

You mention &quot;only probabilistic measures are possible&quot; but I a having a hard time conceptualizing for what sort of circumstances you could argue disproving the cargo cult idea is &quot;possible&quot;. Or maybe you just mean possible on a one-on-one basis.

How frustrating.

Do you have other examples of good cargo cult ideas that exist similarly to the atheist vs. christian argument?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done on an extremely lucid contrast of the two types of ideas.</p>
<p>It drives me crazy that your solution for how to distinguish between the two is that it&#8217;s impossible. Even if someone were to &#8220;reach the cliff&#8221;, for any cargo cult idea of significance one man&#8217;s assertions would be quickly covered up by those who have lived their lives in support of the false idea. </p>
<p>You mention &#8220;only probabilistic measures are possible&#8221; but I a having a hard time conceptualizing for what sort of circumstances you could argue disproving the cargo cult idea is &#8220;possible&#8221;. Or maybe you just mean possible on a one-on-one basis.</p>
<p>How frustrating.</p>
<p>Do you have other examples of good cargo cult ideas that exist similarly to the atheist vs. christian argument?</p>
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